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>>Anonymous  8feb2015(su)05:58  No.17722  OP  P1
Captchas

Are extremely excessive. For each two flashes I get, I have to type in two captchas and it fails most of the time, even when I clearly type the right letters. It's common that they fail 5+ times in a row while I type what is clearly being displayed on both captchas. Am I the only one this happens to? Because I haven't seen people complaining about this.

>>Anonymous  8feb2015(su)06:18  No.17723  A  P2R1
>>17722
I've never had problems with captchas failing more than once.
Captchas only fail when I make a mistake (Example: "C" looks like "G" at first glance 'cause of lines covering)
>>!///SWFAnts  #ADMIN#  8feb2015(su)06:53  No.17725  SWF  P3R2
>>17722
You should only get two captchas if you have gotten a lot of flashes during one session and you should only get them for each two flashes if you have gotten a WHOLE lot flashes during one session.

It's like this because I figure pretty much only those that batch-download flashes without really looking at them download many flashes per day, for example other site owners that want to host them elsewhere. I consider that kind of downloading a bit "leechy" since it takes up a lot of bandwitdh without much enjoyment being had for the downloaded flashes themselves.

Most people just download one single flash from the archive and very few download more than 20. Yesterday 13020 IPs made 1-20 gets per IP while only 443 made 20-49 gets and 59 IPs made over 50 gets. You are probably part of those few 59 IPs that get more captchas.

I dunno, I just figured it might be a good idea to prevent few people to take up much more bandwidth than the rest. Maybe it's time to reconsider. I'm just a bit afraid someone will write a bot that manages to download over 1000 flashes a day because the captchas are too easy or too infrequent. I know some people are already using proxies (for example downloading via the Tor network). The reason you get two captchas after many downloads (standard one + reCaptcha) is because I figure maybe my own captcha isn't strong enough for today's auto-solvers. I don't really know how good captcha solvers are nowadays but I figure they should start getting to be pretty damn good, which is why reCaptcha has begun giving IRL pictures of stuff in recent time.

As for the captchas being failed it should not happen if the correct answer is actually given, usually it's simply a single character that are wrong. My own implementation is very strict on needing the correct characters, unlike for example reCaptcha that allow you to miss a few characters here and there (getting more and more strict the more times you fail).

But let me know if you keep getting it wrong even if you are 100% sure you type it right, feel free to upload a few captchas to /b/ along with what you see is written in them as well. Then I could implement a log that records all wrong answers so I can verify myself that the thing is actually broken for lots of people and then proceed to look into what's the matter. Cheers!

>>Horsie  8feb2015(su)12:03  No.17732  C  P4R3
I'm in the 20-50 range :·)
And the captchas don't annoy me so much, except when there's one I can't solve because there's a line somewhere that obscures one of the letters.
By the way, Google's reCaptcha now is using some algorythms that prevent bots while the end user only needing to click a checkbox.
Maybe us the "20+ per session" we can get the "strong" captchas, but implementing the checkbox one for the <20 would be less annoying for everyone.
Here's the info for the new reCaptcha: https://www.google.com/recaptcha/intro/index.html
>>!///SWFAnts  #ADMIN#  9feb2015(mo)00:30  No.17740  SWF  P5R4
The delay from clicking the checkbox and the captcha actually appearing bothers me too much to implement it. Most people, especially those not logged into their Google Account, will still get the captcha so all it does is slow down the captcha process by a couple of seconds and add a layer of annoyance.

In short I'm not a fan of the "I'm not a robot" checkbox. If I have to click a checkbox and wait for a green checkmark to appear I'd rather just click a textfield and type the text since it saves me a lot of time (especially since if the green checkmark does NOT appear and a captcha is presented the process has been slowed down even further).

+ Old reCaptcha:

Select text field -> read (solve) captcha -> type answer -> submit main form.

+ New reCaptcha:

Tick checkbox -> wait -> register in brain that no captcha was required this time (yes, this adds a little time to the whole process as well) -> submit.

...or...

Tick checkbox -> wait -> register in brain that captcha was required -> wait for captcha to load -> select text field -> read (solve) captcha -> type answer -> submit captcha -> wait for answer -> register in brain that captcha was successfully solved -> submit main form.

Notably those "wait" steps often take more time than it does for me to just read the text in an image and type it. If the new reCaptcha thing didn't require you to tick that damn checkbox every time I'd think it was good but as it is right now I prefer the old way. I doubt they will make it like that though because ticking that checkbox makes the user agree to their terms of service or something dumb like that, giving them the right to store information about them.

>>Anonymous  9feb2015(mo)03:14  No.17757  D  P6R5
I'm 99% sure there's something wrong with these captchas. I very rarely get it on the first try, it usually takes several. This is a major obstacle for people trying to make a flash collection, but I can't give any suggestions on how to improve it.

Here's a little example:

http://get.swfchan.org/6643/captcha.gif

>>!///SWFAnts  #ADMIN#  9feb2015(mo)03:21  No.17759  SWF  P7R6
>>17757
Thanks, I believe you. I've disabled the second captcha entirely. Can't keep it if it keeps people away as well as bots. Hopefully that was the problem and not the standard captcha?
>>Anonymous  9feb2015(mo)04:33  No.17760  E  P8R7
>>17759
You mean the google captcha? I'm afraid it's the main captcha that fails, the secondary google captcha always works...

If I could suggest anything, I'd simply say reduce the amount of captchas per flash get.

>>!///SWFAnts  #ADMIN#  9feb2015(mo)06:22  No.17761  SWF  P9R8
>>17760
This sounds unlikely but I'm going to record some failed attempts in order to see if there a bug somewhere.
>>Anonymous  9feb2015(mo)18:39  No.17789  F  P10R9
>>17740
yeah somehow the new recaptcha never works for me at all
Does that mean I am in fact a robot ??
¯\(°_o)/¯
>>!///SWFAnts  #ADMIN#  11feb2015(we)22:29  No.17855  SWF  P11R10
>>17789
The first sign of being a robot is not knowing if you are one or not!

>>17760
There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with my captcha system after all. I've checked around 100 entries that failed to enter the correct captcha three times in a row and all of them have just read a character wrong. It wasn't a waste of time though, I noticed that many wrong attempts were reading upper case "i" as lower case "L". It would be understandably reasonable except that all characters are always in upper case so logically "I" can't ever be lower case "L". Regardless, L is now an acceptable character for I. That should reduce the number of failed captcha attempts by a bunch.

>>w7-890 !elUzZM2K/o  20feb2019(we)15:31  No.66771  G  P12R11
umm ants sorry for bump

>>17855
but are captchas cAsE SeNsitive

>>17757
link 404 what happened

>>w7-890 !elUzZM2K/o  9mar2019(sa)18:21  No.67250  H  P13R12
hey antz what happened to those big captcha images which has 2-3 words or so
which show up after after 4-6 gets (they are bonus captchas i think)

all i see are those small captchas that have 2-5 letters/numbers or so




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