|>>||Anonymous 24jan2017(tu)20:02 No.43548 OP P1|
|Bans/warnings on /f/|
Who here has gotten any and if so what for?
I've recently got a warning for posting http://swfchan.net/36/RA51QF3.shtml which looks like it was deleted within a few hours from posting.
I also got banned on all boards for 24 hours for posting http://swfchan.net/36/FJI3SMT.shtml
Both for global rule #3.
I'm pretty surprised about that, since people post bait and switches often enough; at least I have posted You Just Fell For The Trap.swf and other ones changed to something else with no consequence. Maybe there's some new mod or janitor on /f/. I'm going to try again with a different one, maybe a screamer will solicit the same reaction.
It's worth noting that /f/'s banning behavior isn't up to date, so none of my other posts outside the thread were deleted. Anywhere else if you're banned on all boards they delete any posts you've made in the last 7 days.
Apparently one person a while ago was banned for posting that fake CP flash that turns into Bel-Air.
|>>||Anonymous 28jan2017(sa)16:31 No.43658 A P2R1|
|I never got banned because I don't shitpost.|
|>>||Anonymous 28jan2017(sa)17:34 No.43659 B P3R2|
>implying hoods are shitposts
I take from OP's post that you'd also get banned for that, because /f/ janitor only knows the dankes memes.
|>>||Anonymous 13feb2017(mo)00:31 No.44097 OP P4R3|
|It's worth noting that Old Man Sou from the 4chan cup in the last few months has been saying his threads were being deleted after years of them being fine.|
Most recent thread he made was deleted early http://swfchan.net/37/DK4R7KF.shtml, lasting around three and a half hours.
|>>||Anonymous 13feb2017(mo)02:09 No.44100 C P5R4|
|I've been worried about this for a long while. As we all know the rules doesn't matter on /f/ but I've warned that one day some newbie mod will come around and actually enforce them. Someone that doesn't understand /f/ culture at all.|
You can't have a board for 15 years that doesn't enforce rules and suddenly expect regulars to not be upset when some noob that doesn't belong on /f/ comes along and starts fucking up why we like the board in the first place.
These are the only three rules /f/ should have:
1. Don't upload anything that violates copyright or US law.
2. Don't upload redirectors or exploits such as popup spawners.
3. All other flash content is allowed, including loli/shota, furry and guro.
It's not like we can go upload flashes on /b/ or any other board, /f/ must have relaxed rules.
|>>||Anonymous 13feb2017(mo)06:41 No.44109 B P6R5|
I'd really like that run-of-the-mill rule enforced reasonably though.
It's the only thing preventing /f/ to become youtube in a nutshell, even if it's rather arbitrary.
|>>||Anonymous 13feb2017(mo)07:43 No.44114 OP P7R6|
|Found another one on the bans page.|
http://bans.4tan.org/?page=4 <- it's archived on that page right now but will move to a higher page number as newer bans move in; new bans are grabbed every hour.
Banned for being furry.
I don't know how I feel about this one. Take this, the activity on /trash/, the numerous amount of flashes on swfchan and the fact that only 30 threads can be up at a time; if /f/ was being spread around to those sort of places as a furry haven, they'd flood the board with nothing but furry porn. I'm not saying there shouldn't be any and certainly there are some very well made flashes, even recently, however moderation is the key here. Maybe the mod/janitor would be justified if there were around +10 - 6 furry flashes at one time but seeing as whoever is handing out moderation recently doesn't know much about /f/, I'd say they're unjustified.
I'm sure most people would like most of the youtube rips to be gone. I especially hate the ones that are just reply bait, usually /pol/ or /lgbt/ material. They would have made better threads in those boards and all the OP had to do was post a youtube link in their first post. Recent examples I can think of that are semi-regular are whyIlefttheleft.swf, berniesandersexposed.swf and not as recently but manchildren.swf and the other series made from Gavin's segment on The Rebel. Also Maddox, who has a whole website (and probably youtube channel) where you can watch him complain about pizza and self-checkout lanes.
Consider letter-to-my-sister.swf, which was an old SNL skit and posted as a rip quite far back and then recently got put on youtube, I wouldn't think that's run of the mill but what say you?
|>>||Anonymous 13feb2017(mo)08:04 No.44115 OP P8|
Oh I forgot to say something about those rules. I was in and made one of those meta /f/ threads last year where we were supposed to try and fix something on the board. I liked those rules but the general consensus (as far as I could tell from an anonymous discussion) is that the last bit that says "including loli/shota, furry and guro." is too explicit: in the sense that when people read those rules they'd immediately be reminded about it. /f/ would then be known as the "return of /l/" or a loli dumping ground. /f/ was for a day with a bunch of loli guro flashes at a single time, none were deleted needless to say, but it would have been boring to see those same loli guro flashes every day/week -- in fact I don't think I've seen them since and I probably would risk posting them unless you're ready for a ban -- or even different loli guro flashes every day/week. Back from the tangent, in short putting that you CAN do something in the rules is like raising a big flag and saying HEY EVERYONE /F/ IS NOW THE LOLI/SHOTA FURRY GURO BOARD! whereas if it just says "All other flash content is allowed" the amount posted would probably be around the same as before, without stuff like >>44114 happening. Also rule #1 is covered by Global rule #1.
I think there is an argument to be said about the current rule #1, I noticed in the past month or so that there was at least one person, I guess I missed a lot of those posts, it's more like 90 or so posts in total, on /f/ saying something about "weebshit" http://eye.swfchan.net/search.asp?q=weebshit I'd say that there's a reason that /f/ in is the Japanese section of 4chan, even if it's evolved past its original intent. Maybe something could be kept in the rules to reflect that? I know that the whole "weebshit" stuff is bogus, but I don't really want a whole section of those idiots on either side (anime only vs no anime content) to materialize due to rule changes.
|>>||Anonymous 13feb2017(mo)18:34 No.44127 OP P9|
|>>||Anonymous 14feb2017(tu)01:56 No.44135 C P10R7|
>run-of-the-mill rule enforced reasonably
The reason why you can't forbid some swf files and allow others is because "reasonably" can't be defined. As long as there's some kind of "reasonably" in any rule it greenlights a mod that has no idea what /f/ is all about to come in and start banning people left and right.
>is that the last bit that says "including loli/shota, furry and guro." is too explicit
The reason why I put that in there is because the global rules still applies to /f/, they won't make them "global except for /f/". Therefore you need to explicitly state exceptions for /f/ to make sure no future mod comes and fuck it up.
I'd love for the third rule to be just "All other flash content is allowed." but then some mod would come in sometime in the future and start referring to global rule #3 again. My first rule ("Don't upload anything that violates copyright or US law.") could be skipped entirely because it's covered by the global rules anyway, I just put it there because otherwise "all other flash content is allowed" might be misleading to people that don't think about the global rules.
Honestly all this about banning youtube videos or to make exceptions for X and Y... it's nonsense. Just allow all swf files and let the people of /f/ sort them out by replying or not replying. Converting a movie to a flash has been around forever and it takes dedication to convert the video, if someone uploads shit videos it happens once or twice but then he will stop because he gets zero replies and it's too much effort for no feedback.
The only reward for all that work to upload a video to /f/ is the replies. Flash is only allowed on one board on 4chan so of course all flash files need to be allowed there.
Global rule 3 on 4chan is garbage btw:
+ You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry") or grotesque ("guro") images, post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography.
It's way, way to broad and is way, way too open to interpretation (in other words its used "reasonably"). Being told that "you've been banned due to global rule #3" might as well be replaced with "you've been banned due to your ugly face". I mean it even says that "macro image replies" are banned ffs, something that happens all the time outside /b/.
And how screwed up is global rule 8?
+ Complaining about 4chan (its policies, moderation, etc) on the imageboards may result in post deletion and a ban.
I love the "may" in there, again completely up to each "reasonable" mod to freely decide whether or not your reply is whiny enough to warrant a ban.
|>>||Anonymous 14feb2017(tu)07:57 No.44141 B P11R8|
I'd definitely NOT consider most SNL shorts bait, as there's inherent comedy value to those produced skits. They can (and did) envolve into memes, so it's fine.
I mean, even my converted video (Don't hug me I'm scared; which I just posted once, because I wanted to share it as it's hilarious) was removed once, because "this isn't youtube".
I thought it was unnecessary, but I wouldn't rage against it. I can respect such a decision and go about it some other time or stop posting FLVs alltogether (only thing I really only ever contributed).
But a long term ban would have been unjustified, I think.
I can see something posted with "cringe value" on some level, but
Think about when a guy on a screen unironically talks about some controversal shit with some images shoven in every other second - to make a thread with shit-level discussion, or ONLY IF YOU POST SLEEP TIGHT PIZZA stuff, then - that's the only things I'd just ban on triple sight.
Shouldn't a mod, or at least the janitor BE a person from /f/ or at least with a lot of /f/ experience?
Or like, make it some every now and then, but when bait is posted all the time (howling.swf frequency f.e.), then just remove all following ones, until it calmed down? Needs a lot of insight though.
But yeah, I know it's basically unforable and unforseeable, but SWF videos from youtube are also swf files. Guess the community going down the drain just has to be accepted by now.
Also: sorting by replies is only a valid tatic with a well educated userbase (currently debatable, seen better and worse times), and won't help with replying ironically or shit-posting (see beef-curtains here) escpecially since you can't see the SAGE anymore (on /f/).
Don't underestimate to power of b8. They were deliberatly created to just stir controversy with zero effort.
If not replying would kill it, the video wouldn't even be so popular on the jewtubes. It's just bringing the same shit then to /f/. And conversion quality is oftentimes very low and uneducated as well.
ANTS tools helped to upp the quality, but also the frequency of use.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST
it's not like discussion here is changing rules on 4chan anyway.
It will probably never happen alltoghether.
A board will only ever be as good as the modbase.
|>>||Anonymous 14feb2017(tu)08:21 No.44145 OP P12R9|
Good points, I should have thought more about banning video content and the reasonable stuff.
As for the rules conflicting with the global ones, they could just say which ones are enforced like /b/, /s4s/ and /trash/ does. So they should look something like:
1. Don't upload redirectors or exploits such as popup spawners.
2. All other flash content is allowed.
3. Global rules 1, 2, 4, 5, maybe 6, 7, probably 8 but the other boards that do this also don't have it enforced, 9, 10, 11, 12, maybe 13 since you can't use avatars other than the OP, 14.
Most of them, even #17, are broken regularly on /f/.
|>>||Anonymous 19feb2017(su)17:44 No.44348 D P13R10|
|How is 4chan still a thing? Kinda like... mediocrity heat death of the online universe – it's inevitable, tepid and eternal?|
|>>||Anonymous 19feb2017(su)21:09 No.44357 E P14|
There's a site called 4chan, but 4chan doesn't exist anymore.
4chan was its users, they've all left a long time ago.
|>>||Anonymous 19feb2017(su)22:39 No.44367 OP P15R11|
4chan is filled with cargo cult imageboarders, probably me included. All of those unoriginal threads thrive while the original stuff doesn't get much attention. KYM probably helped with the rapid death.
|>>||Anonymous 23feb2017(th)01:50 No.44498 B P16R12|
I see what you mean, from a /b/ perspective. It's really been unbearable for the longest time. Nothing but smartphone porn threads and the eventual shitpost.
/f/ on the other hand hasn't changed a bit. Only a tiny bit maybe and general decay of shockwave flash. But it's rather good right now. There were up and downs, but it's back to what I can live with.
Because it is the board nobody knows about.
And OC was never one if its strenghts anyway.
|>>||Anonymous 5mar2017(su)03:05 No.44826 OP P17R13|
|Hmmm this was deleted within one hour, what do you think it could mean?|
I know for one fact that you can't deleted a post that old but I don't know if being banned from some other place can get your threads deleted from /f/. At any rate it seems that the janitor hates bait and switches. I wonder if he'll delete lolicon.swf?
|>>||Anonymous 5mar2017(su)11:38 No.44831 OP P18|
|Well today I posted jeff the killer.swf, which is jeff the killer, and I wasn't warned or banned. However the janitor might not have been present.|